will chuck hagel be damaged as defense secretary if there are 15 or more no votes? >> absolutely not. i appreciate the history lesson that the senator has given us but he should also take and find out what is going on in the senate. it would be more helpful for him to work on fixing the senate than working on the selection of the president of the united states. people need to understand, you serve at the pleasure of the president. so all of this uproar about chuck hagel and what he said and what he hasn't said does not matter. he works for president barack obama who is very clear on his policy as it relates to israel. >> chip, senator richard shelby joined ted cochran and mike johans in supporting hagel's nomination. we already new about susan collins and lisa murkowski expected to go along and vote to end the filibuster next week. so why keep fighting? i mean, the sequester, immigration, guns, you would think that they would be busy. >> well, they are busy. this is one of their jobs. and to confirm cabinet nominees. look, i think what we know is that hagel will be